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Changes in Flight
Submitted by Herodotus Frost on Thu, 10/20/2005 - 11:23am.
I just logged on to Frosty yesterday for the first time in awhile, so I don't know how long this has been in place, but I am really upset with the changes they made to flight.
In an attempt to lower the defense for flight, all characters now start off in hover for a few seconds after activating it. This might in all possibility be a game breaker to me.
I can live with most of the tweaks and nerfs that they institute over game balance issues, but this is ridiculous in my opinion. I admit I don't know much about coding and programming, but it would see that they took the laziest way out to put in this change.
If they wanted to lower the defense that's fine, they should have lowered it or given it a timer in which it starts lower but then goes to normal after a few seconds. That is fine to me and makes perfect sense, but actually changing the mechanics so that when I go to fly instead of it being "Up, Up, and Away" its now "Up, Up, and Hang On A Sec". This is a total srew job to the slowest of the travel powers already.
This is bad because we don't have anything like it in the other travel powers. You don't start out jogging for Super Speed, or take tiny jumps for Super Jump, or have an "energize" period for TP, so why the incredibly ridiculous nerf to flying?
When I noticed this yesterday, I honestly thought it was a bug and reported it as such. I get a response today telling me that it is a designed change. Just total F***ing BS.
The worst part is that I just went and bought my CoV pre-order yesterday. I think that am going to just take it back and cancel my account because this just steams me to the point of not being able to enjoy the game.
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Excellent!
Though Ive had some thoughts myself on leaving, Im
glad to see you are sticking around Frosty and wb Hells! I plan on waiting until the next update for CoV which will raise the level ceiling for Villians to 50 and start to allow PvP of Heroes and Villians. That will be the game maker/breaker for me. So far Ive really enjoyed playing WoW. More than what I thought.
--Did someone say the Stay Puff Marshmallow Man is rampaging in Atlas Park? OMW and I'm bringing the Fire to toast 'im!
Agan wb. I promise I'll get
Agan wb. I promise I'll get in soon.
I'm just trying to work through the whole Enhancement Diversification thingy for the community at large. Reverse engineering what I feel boils down to silly math with some crappy hacks is a PITA.
Reminds me... names are freed!!! I guess I'll log in to see if Gyrigo is gonzo.
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Thanks
Thanks for all the warm re-welcomes. And glad to hear that you're sticking around, too, Frosty! Let's go rack up some debt together!
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Frosty and Hellstom are here!
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No sweat, we still wuv you
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Well, I thought I would get
Well, I thought I would get a chance Thursday and Friday night to retest how supression was affecting Frosty, but I didn't get home from work until about 11PM each night and needed to get up at 8AM the next morning each day, so I just now got a chance to get in game.
You are all correct about it, I was wrong. Apparently I wasn't giving it enough time after an attack, so it was in hover. Of course, when this all started I wasn't even aware of it(Supression). Totally my fault there.
That being said, I have calmed down and I think I will be sticking around. The worst part is that I don't normally go off half-cocked like that so I feel just a bit embarassed. Silly Frosty!!
See you all in game!
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Creon-- Natural/Scrapper; Darkness/Super
Yes It's just movement Supression
I just logged into Fuzun. And tested Fly. Fly works just fine immediately after I turn on Fly. Movement suppression kicks in for 4 secs after an attack (or last attack). Any travel powers will be at the low movement speed (Sprint/Hover/Combat Jumping/etc) for during Movement Supression. This also applies if you have the travel power off and turned it on after the attack. This is what happed to you Frosty.
You can verify it for yourself. Just turn on Fly and fly upwards (with attacking before hand.), you will rocket up into the sky. And Movement Suppresion has been around for quite a while. It's annoying and flustrating at first, but I found that once I got used to it, it now a minor inconvience at times. I've yet to rack up an debt over it.
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Welcome back and Dont go
Welcome back Hellstrom and Don't go Frosty. Crack a beer, count to 10, take a deep breath... Crack another beer...
It'll all be fine.. Trust me
Okay I've checked this out
Okay I've checked this out on Live, Test, and CoV Beta, and nowhere do I ever see Fly behave like this at all. It just doesn't do or behave like you're describing. I even recorded a demo if you'd like me to put it up for download.
That said, for purposed of Combat, all 4 movement powers are affected by Supression (as is I believe any variation of Sprint). For about 4 seconds after you use an offensive power SS/Sprint functions at normal Run Speed, Fly at the speed of Hover, Superleap as a normal leap, and Teleport can't even activate.
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Welcome back Hellstrom!
Welcome back Hellstrom! Frosty, I canceled my subscription, but it's still good for another six months.
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That's not exactly what I am
That's not exactly what I am experiencing. I am having that problem even when I am NOT attacking. I can sit and just look, check for a team, respond to a tell, and then when I go to move, I still get that. It's not just a fighting thing, and even if it was, I still find that unacceptable (Supressing the speed of the power and not just the defense).
Like I questioned earlier, is there an equivilent for this with the other powers? Not that I have seen and that makes this a real serious issue for me. I will try this out again and see if maybe I was doing something wrong or wasn't paying attention correctly, but if it's what I fear it is, then I doubt I will stay with CoH/CoV.
Frosty
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Its because you're
Its because you're attacking, the term for it is Supression.
And all movement powers behave this way.
For purposes of Fly, for a few seconds after attacking your flight speed will be reduced to the speed of unslotted Hover. It generally gives anything you attack a chance to attack you back.
But keep in mind it has nothing to do with Fly itself, it has to do with combat. It doesn't impact normal movement at all (as in if you want to get somewhere and aren't attacking something).
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OK, here is a more detailed
OK, here is a more detailed description of what is happening.
From what I remember (I haven't logged on tonight like I wanted, I just don't have the time.) the problem doesn't occur when you are standing and then switch your flight power on. It is most noticable when I am already in flight mode.
Basically, I discovered this last night while badge hunting in Croatoa and moving around to the various groups for my individual badges. Since Frosty is almost 20+ levels higher than most mobs, I have just been attacking while in flight with my lower attacks, moving from group to group.
It's when I am in this mode, still in flight, but not moving and in the air, that the problem occurs. I go to move and instead of moving at my flight speed I am moving at hover speed.
Does this help?
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I tried this on Arctic Dale
I tried this on Arctic Dale and it doesn't seem to happen weither.
Were you attacking something? I did notice a delay with that which Todd says is normal.
I'm sorry to hear that you are upset.
Cheryl
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Alt. Characters: Hyper Dale - Arctic Dale - Technic Dale
Errr... okay... so I just
Errr... okay... so I just tried out Fly in game, and I'm not following what you're seeing at all. Fly itself is working the same as always. I don't see this "hover" time at all.
Are you in combat when trying this out? I mean I'm not when I'm testing, so it'd be nice to pin down what you're seeing. I do know that in combat there is Supression, that does have about a 4 second delay on getting the full ability out of movement powers right after attacking a target. Is that what you're talking about?
Because I can't see as you're talking in terms of normal usage.
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Boo...Yea!!!
Don't go Frosty! There will only be more annoying changes in the future.
Yea! Glad your back Hellstrom. We missed you.
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Back in the City
And just as you leave, I decided to come back, Frosty. Reactivated the account today. Thought I would check out the changes and maybe even CoV.
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Hellstrom (41 Magic/Controller/Fire/Storm)
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Just thought I would let
Just thought I would let everyone know that I am pretty sure this is it for me. I will probably try this one more time tonight to be sure, but I highly expect to cancel my subscription tonight and switch to another game out there.
Anyone have any suggestions?
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